AI of ur Necro Heroes - Guild Wars Forums

realtalk916 · Jan 01, 2009, 10:05 AM // 10:05

hope no one has asked this before

but its a rumor or myth i heard that your necro heroes have different AI

for ex: my guildie says, livia makes a better MM, and olias has good healing AI

is this possibly true? or are they the same?

turbo234 · Jan 01, 2009, 10:34 AM // 10:34

sounds absurd to me. i see no reason anet would set it up that way.

Zidane Ortef · Jan 01, 2009, 10:59 AM // 10:59

all the heros function the same way with any build the only retarded hero that does what he wants is zhed.

MrTickle · Jan 01, 2009, 11:05 AM // 11:05

My Olias commits suicide keeping his minions alive in HM usually just before a battle and Livia lets him. Then we have 10 minions plus the group Zhed agro'd

Shemsu Anpw · Jan 01, 2009, 12:59 PM // 12:59

Yeah Zhed is a bastard when it comes to agrooing. My dunkkaro seems to forget he can heal himself. Recently I noticed that Masters as my MM tends to wait like 10-15 seconds to send in the minions when I start a fight.

legacyofkain85 · Jan 01, 2009, 01:41 PM // 13:41

for me olias=mm,master=curses,livia=resto
it also depends what builds and skill u give to the hero ,remember it has to be easy to use,make it to complex and heroes will fail at it,basicly make it noob proof

Luminarus · Jan 01, 2009, 02:20 PM // 14:20

Havnet noticed a difference. I always use master as healer, livia as SS and olias as MM. But before eotn I used master as SS, and he was just as stupid as livia.

poasiods · Jan 01, 2009, 02:38 PM // 14:38

I frequently have to order Olias to use Blood of the Master so he wouldn't let all his minions go to waste for no reason at all...

Alex Dimitri · Jan 01, 2009, 02:52 PM // 14:52

I`ve started using necros a long time ago, one thing i noticed is that they all suck when it comes to AI.Necros usualy take more time to catch up with group and yes they kill them selves with Blood of the Master, so u should just kick that skill out of bar !!!
Worst example of hero AI is embeded in Monk heroes they just rush towards enemies and die like crazy, so i put them on avoid combat which gives them some chance of survival !
Use your necros as MM Bombers that task they do pretty good, and on the bright side Discord is the skill they use absolutely fantastic

!!!

SeraCombi · Jan 01, 2009, 03:06 PM // 15:06

It looks as if there are allot of opinions about this...and thus the OP has been given a confusing answer.

Here is the deal: No Hero is programmed to be better (using a build) than any other hero of the same profession.

Some players perceive that one hero will do better at Minion Mastering, for example. This is usually because of differences in runes/weapons/weapon modifiers, attribute settings, aggression setting, etc. of one hero vs. the other.

It's rare to have two of your nec heroes equipped exactly the same. But even one rune's difference will have an impact.

Whenitrainsitpours · Jan 01, 2009, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by Zidane Ortef

all the heros function the same way with any build the only retarded hero that does what he wants is zhed.

Because he's prejudice against 2-leggeds.

Whenitrainsitpours · Jan 01, 2009, 03:58 PM // 15:58

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Originally Posted by poasiods

I frequently have to order Olias to use Blood of the Master so he wouldn't let all his minions go to waste for no reason at all...

I have to do the same otherwise he makes Jagged horrors and blows them up or lets Bone horrors blow themselves up as well as Shamblings.

Whenitrainsitpours · Jan 01, 2009, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Originally Posted by Alex Dimitri

I`ve started using necros a long time ago, one thing i noticed is that they all suck when it comes to AI.Necros usualy take more time to catch up with group and yes they kill them selves with Blood of the Master, so u should just kick that skill out of bar !!!
Worst example of hero AI is embeded in Monk heroes they just rush towards enemies and die like crazy, so i put them on avoid combat which gives them some chance of survival !
Use your necros as MM Bombers that task they do pretty good, and on the bright side Discord is the skill they use absolutely fantastic

!!!

I've never had my Olias suicide from Blood of the Master...if anything, he doesn't use it enough.

Quaker · Jan 01, 2009, 04:03 PM // 16:03

To add to what SeraCombi said, I've had both Olias and Livia set up as MMs. I use the same setup for them, which I load from a template. I've even had occasion recently to actually remove the Runes, Insignias, and weapon from Livia, transfer them to Olias for a quest or two, and then put them back.
Bottom Line: Absolutely no noticeable difference in performance between the two.

However, that being said, there is no reason to think that the AI couldn't be different. I just haven't seen any proof.

@Dimitri - you must have a really bad skill bar on your MM to get it to sac itself to death with BotM.
And you complain about your monks running into battle unless you put them on "avoid combat"? Duh?

Spiritz · Jan 01, 2009, 04:21 PM // 16:21

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Originally Posted by Whenitrainsitpours

I have to do the same otherwise he makes Jagged horrors and blows them up or lets Bone horrors blow themselves up as well as Shamblings.

Think you`ll find thats what the build dictates and is similar to jagged bomber and minion bomber.
Also those who notice necros putting death nova on you - could be in the ai that if ally x hp drops to x% cast dn - ive only had it cast on me when my hp dipped around 50% but never when full hp.And Botm was fixed to stop heros killing themselves recently ( or a few months bk lol )

And before someone disagrees - hero/hench ai to me is more like a human than a bot - ive seen enough human players do stupid things - like lvl 20 monk getting owned by a lvl 8 insect by trying to wand it - we dont want ai thats better than us in thinking otherwise theres no challange - and no game play.

Marverick · Jan 01, 2009, 04:45 PM // 16:45

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Originally Posted by Zidane Ortef

all the heros function the same way with any build the only retarded hero that does what he wants is zhed.

When set on aggressive, Gwen think she's a frontliner and runs around in melee range to everything for whatever reason...

Never had this problem with Norgu.. meh

Dre · Jan 01, 2009, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by Marverick

When set on aggressive, Gwen think she's a frontliner and runs around in melee range to everything for whatever reason...

Never had this problem with Norgu.. meh

try giving her a ranged weapon instead of a melee weapon

Tagon · Jan 01, 2009, 06:30 PM // 18:30

I have to disagree. I have seen a marked difference in the way a hero handles the same build as another hero.

Koss is a Leeroy Jenkins and you can use this to your advantage. Give him an ax and he will hold agro. Jora is a little more selective on her targets for this reason I love her with a sword for quick kills on those backend casters she will always go after. And Goren, I love the guy, but if you put anything but a hammer in his hands he is worthless. The man likes to knock people to the ground and makes them regret getting back up.

As to the Necros, Livia is a true rouge. She does not follow Grenth for the sake of death she follows him looking for way to beat him and save the land she so loves. Use this to your advantage and make her your restro you will not regret it. Olias on the other hand love death I will admit it takes him a little longer to bring in his minions but when he does it is so worth it. As for Master he has spent his live affecting the world around him with little actions that no one noticed, buying his time, waiting for the Champions that would finally put an end to Abbadon. And for this reason curses hold the skills he is born to use.

As I read this thread I see people who disagree with and all I can say is maybe if you talked to you Heroes a little more you would get to know them better.

Zebideedee · Jan 03, 2009, 03:43 AM // 03:43

No Scooby Doo cartoons when my necros go bad, I dual mm vanquished Elona & Cantha. (for the record, I wasn't a mm, heroes do a better job on mm's or blocking)

Only AI i'm having probs with is on my ele, the Henchies, they are acting bazaar, it's like the healer has the fighters skillset etc???? Sometimes expect monks to scream...Kiilllroooooooy, Stoneee(splat)

HawkofStorms · Jan 03, 2009, 03:47 AM // 03:47

Not only do all heros of the same profession act similar, all heros of DIFFERENT professions act the same.

Make your ele hero a E/N and he will use the skills in the same manner as a Necro hero (of course, he won't have soul reaping).

Jan 01, 2009, 10:05 AM // 10:05	#1
realtalk916 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: California Guild: Reign Of Judgment [RoJ] Profession: W/E	AI of ur Necro Heroes hope no one has asked this before but its a rumor or myth i heard that your necro heroes have different AI for ex: my guildie says, livia makes a better MM, and olias has good healing AI is this possibly true? or are they the same?

Jan 01, 2009, 04:03 PM // 16:03	#14
Quaker Hell's Protector Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Brothers Disgruntled	To add to what SeraCombi said, I've had both Olias and Livia set up as MMs. I use the same setup for them, which I load from a template. I've even had occasion recently to actually remove the Runes, Insignias, and weapon from Livia, transfer them to Olias for a quest or two, and then put them back. Bottom Line: Absolutely no noticeable difference in performance between the two. However, that being said, there is no reason to think that the AI couldn't be different. I just haven't seen any proof. @Dimitri - you must have a really bad skill bar on your MM to get it to sac itself to death with BotM. And you complain about your monks running into battle unless you put them on "avoid combat"? Duh? Last edited by Quaker; Jan 01, 2009 at 04:10 PM // 16:10..

Jan 01, 2009, 10:34 AM // 10:34	#2
turbo234 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: WI Profession: Mo/	sounds absurd to me. i see no reason anet would set it up that way.

Jan 01, 2009, 10:59 AM // 10:59	#3
Zidane Ortef Site Contributor Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Martinsburg, WV Guild: Scions of Carver [SCAR]/Trinity Of The Ascended [ToA] Profession: W/	all the heros function the same way with any build the only retarded hero that does what he wants is zhed.

Jan 01, 2009, 11:05 AM // 11:05	#4
MrTickle Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: delete this account Profession: N/	My Olias commits suicide keeping his minions alive in HM usually just before a battle and Livia lets him. Then we have 10 minions plus the group Zhed agro'd

Jan 01, 2009, 12:59 PM // 12:59	#5
Shemsu Anpw Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sephirot - Keter	Yeah Zhed is a bastard when it comes to agrooing. My dunkkaro seems to forget he can heal himself. Recently I noticed that Masters as my MM tends to wait like 10-15 seconds to send in the minions when I start a fight.

Jan 01, 2009, 01:41 PM // 13:41	#6
legacyofkain85 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2006 Guild: Lady Ainowa	for me olias=mm,master=curses,livia=resto it also depends what builds and skill u give to the hero ,remember it has to be easy to use,make it to complex and heroes will fail at it,basicly make it noob proof

Jan 01, 2009, 02:20 PM // 14:20	#7
Luminarus Furnace Stoker Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Guild: Haze of Light [pure] Profession: R/	Havnet noticed a difference. I always use master as healer, livia as SS and olias as MM. But before eotn I used master as SS, and he was just as stupid as livia.

Jan 01, 2009, 02:38 PM // 14:38	#8
poasiods Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2008 Profession: R/	I frequently have to order Olias to use Blood of the Master so he wouldn't let all his minions go to waste for no reason at all...

Jan 01, 2009, 02:52 PM // 14:52	#9
Alex Dimitri Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Oct 2007 Guild: Passionate Kiss Of Nosferatu [KISS] Profession: N/Mo	I`ve started using necros a long time ago, one thing i noticed is that they all suck when it comes to AI.Necros usualy take more time to catch up with group and yes they kill them selves with Blood of the Master, so u should just kick that skill out of bar !!! Worst example of hero AI is embeded in Monk heroes they just rush towards enemies and die like crazy, so i put them on avoid combat which gives them some chance of survival ! Use your necros as MM Bombers that task they do pretty good, and on the bright side Discord is the skill they use absolutely fantastic !!!

Jan 01, 2009, 03:06 PM // 15:06	#10
SeraCombi Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hiding in a cave in old Ascalon	It looks as if there are allot of opinions about this...and thus the OP has been given a confusing answer. Here is the deal: No Hero is programmed to be better (using a build) than any other hero of the same profession. Some players perceive that one hero will do better at Minion Mastering, for example. This is usually because of differences in runes/weapons/weapon modifiers, attribute settings, aggression setting, etc. of one hero vs. the other. It's rare to have two of your nec heroes equipped exactly the same. But even one rune's difference will have an impact.

Jan 01, 2009, 06:30 PM // 18:30	#18
Tagon Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2006 Guild: C O T P Profession: R/Mo	I have to disagree. I have seen a marked difference in the way a hero handles the same build as another hero. Koss is a Leeroy Jenkins and you can use this to your advantage. Give him an ax and he will hold agro. Jora is a little more selective on her targets for this reason I love her with a sword for quick kills on those backend casters she will always go after. And Goren, I love the guy, but if you put anything but a hammer in his hands he is worthless. The man likes to knock people to the ground and makes them regret getting back up. As to the Necros, Livia is a true rouge. She does not follow Grenth for the sake of death she follows him looking for way to beat him and save the land she so loves. Use this to your advantage and make her your restro you will not regret it. Olias on the other hand love death I will admit it takes him a little longer to bring in his minions but when he does it is so worth it. As for Master he has spent his live affecting the world around him with little actions that no one noticed, buying his time, waiting for the Champions that would finally put an end to Abbadon. And for this reason curses hold the skills he is born to use. As I read this thread I see people who disagree with and all I can say is maybe if you talked to you Heroes a little more you would get to know them better.

Jan 03, 2009, 03:43 AM // 03:43	#19
Zebideedee Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: 55?? 57' 0" N / 3?? 12' 0" W Profession: N/Me	No Scooby Doo cartoons when my necros go bad, I dual mm vanquished Elona & Cantha. (for the record, I wasn't a mm, heroes do a better job on mm's or blocking) Only AI i'm having probs with is on my ele, the Henchies, they are acting bazaar, it's like the healer has the fighters skillset etc???? Sometimes expect monks to scream...Kiilllroooooooy, Stoneee(splat)

Jan 03, 2009, 03:47 AM // 03:47	#20
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	Not only do all heros of the same profession act similar, all heros of DIFFERENT professions act the same. Make your ele hero a E/N and he will use the skills in the same manner as a Necro hero (of course, he won't have soul reaping).